George and Mary Ann Land And Other Lands in Both Batley, Yorkshire and Philadelphia, Pa.


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George Land and His mother, Mary Ann Land, in Batley Yorkshire and in Philadelphia, Pa.

George Henry Land (born in Batley, England 1859 per English censuses ) and his Irish born mother, Mary Ann, were listed in the 1871 and 1881 censuses in Batley, England. Both censuses also include a brother, John, born circa 1862 also in Batley. In both censuses Mary Ann Land is listed as married but no husband is listed.

Notes:

  • I could not find Mary Ann or George in the 1861 census in England.

  • There were no standout marriages listed on Free BMD between 1855 and 1859 for ___ Land and Mary Ann ____. I checked all Dewsbury, Bradford, Wakefield and Leeds. The only possibility was John Fullarton Land Leeds June 1857 9b 383 to Mary Ann Ross. (No marriage for Margaret Ross to William Guider, see Margaret wife of William Guider and sister of Mary Ann _____ Land below)

  • There were no birth records on Free BMD for George Land or John Land in Dewsbury (the district covering Batley) between Mar 1858 and Dec 1863. Unfortunately, the parish records as filmed by LDS more or less stop at 1850 and there is the question, since they were Irish would they have been Roman Catholic?

1871 Census Batley, England

Batley, Up Lane with William Guider age 38 tea dealer and grocer, born Ireland, and his family, including his wife, Margaret, age 35 born Ireland, Mary A "Lanes" sister in law, married age 37, rag sorter, born Ireland, John "Land", boarder, age 9, born Batley, George "Land", boarder age 14, piecner born Batley. (There is also a person listed as a "lodger" versus boarder.)

Notes:

  • It can be inferred from the 1871 census that Mary Ann was the sister of Margaret _______ Guider. Free BMD does not list a marriage of William Guider to Margaret in the right time frame. There is a marriage of William Guider Dewsbury 9b [35]93, Dec 1857 but no wife is listed. There were no births listed for Guider between Mar 1858 and Dec 1861.

  • William Guilder was listed in other censuses but the listings do not give any further clues to Mary Ann ____ Land: William Guider, head, age 30, stone sette,r born Ireland, his wife Margaret age 25, son Edward age 2 and a boarder, Mary Turvy, unmarried, age 26, house servant, born Ireland were listed in Up Lane, Batley in 1861. They were listed in the 1881 census in Low Lane, Gomersall. William age 50, insurance agent, Margaret age 43 were born Ireland their 6 children were born in Batley.

1881 Census Batley, England

Keighley building Batley: Mary Ann Land, married, age 44, burler, woolen, born Ireland, John Land, son age 18, spinner, born Batley George Land, age 21, spinner, born Batley

Notes:

  • They are right next to others born in Ireland including Hugh Kelly and his wife Bridget and children. Is this relevant? There are quite a few people born Ireland on this page. There are also people right after them born in Ireland.
  • She is listed as married; where is the husband? And more importantly, who is the husband?
  • The ages are off between the1871 and 1881 censuses, but the combination of Mary Ann born Ireland and the two sons, George and John, born Batley is strong, as is the fact that there are so few Lands in Batley at the time.
  • Despite the commonality of the names, George John and Mary Ann Land do not show up in later censuses in England.
George Land and Mary Ann Land in Philadelphia

George and Mary Ann do show up is in Philadelphia where it is indicated that George immigrated c 1883 and Mary Ann immigrated circa 1884. John does not turn up in Philadelphia in the US censuses. There are no appropriate death records for either John or his potential father listed on Free BMD between 1881 and 1884 in Yorkshire.

______ Land and Mary Ann _______

Birth of Mary Ann ____ : Unknown Ireland circa 1835

Birth of _ Land: Unknown

Marriage to _ Land: Unknown

Children:

  1. George Land
    Birth Of George Land: Batley, England circa 1859 son of Mary Ann ____ born Ireland circa 1835 and ____ Land

    Who is probably NOT his father: Any of the children of John Land (born 1818) as they were all too young.

    Marriage: Unknown, before 1887. Circa 1880 per 1930 US census.

    Children:

    1. Edith circa 1887, Pa
    2. Ann Land and John Dougherty
      Ann circa 1889, Pa
      Question: Is this the same as Catherine listed by Ancestry in the 1900 census where the actual census page is illigible due to faded ink?
      Marriage: Anne Land married John Dougherty before 1910 (1910 Census)
      Children:
      1. Gertrude, circa 1909 (1910 Census)
      1910 Census: See below.
      1920 Census: See below.
    3. Maurice Land and Sarah Bacon
      Maurice AKA Morris. 1896, Pa.
      Note:
      • He was listed as Morris on the 1910 and 1920 censuses
      Marriage: Sarah Bacon, unknown circa 1925 per 1930 census. Sarah's sunamed provided by Patricia Land March 2006
      Children:
      1. Jane circa 1927
      2. John circa 1928
      3. Sarah per Patricia Land March 2006
      4. Joseph, per Patricia Land March 2006
      5. James per Patricia Land March 2006
      Other Records: Listed with his parents in the 1910 census and with his sister, Ann Land Dougherty, in 1920
      1930: Maurice Land was listed in the 1930 Census in Philadelphia Head own, $6,500, radio, age 33, married at 29, retail ----ant own business Sarah, wife age 33 married at 29, Jane age 3 (and some months can't read), John son age 1 and 7 months George. father, age 71 widow, married at 21
      Death of Maurice: MAURICE LAND 03 Mar 1896 Apr 1973 32670 (Florida) (none specified) 176-26-8844 Pennsylvania (SSDI)
    4. Agnes, unknown, Pa. Agnes was listed in the 1910 census. However, the age was not legible.
    Notes:
    • Children's names and dates of birth taken from the 1910 census.

    1900 Census: Philly, Ward 38, George Land was listed in the 1900 census ward 38 but the ink is so fade it is impossible to read anything but his name and the address of Dobson ---- road. However most of the information can be descerned from the indexes. George 1859 (?) widower, born England, immigrated 1883 naturalized laborer woolen mill, there are five other people listed but I can only read the occupations of three of them, twister silk mill, winder silk mill and at school. While the name cannot be read it is possible to determine that the last person listed was female and had 5 children of who two were still living, she was born in Ireland and immigrated in 1884. From the index this was Mary the mother of George, born in 1835 in Ireland, and the four children were Edith born ?? Annie born 1887, Catherine born 1889 and Maurice.

    1910 Census: Ward 38, Westmoreland Street, George Land, head, age 48, married no other info, born England both parents born England, nationalized, finisher carpet mill, Edith Land, daughter age 23, born Pa father born England mother born Ireland, (same for other children), spooler silk mill Morris Land, son age 14, starcher caret mill, Dougherty, Ann daughter age 21 married 2 years 1 child John Dougherty, son in law age 22 married 2 yrs, officer city duty, Gertrude granddaughter age 1 Agnes Land daughter age 13,

    1920 Census: George Land was listed with his son-in-law, John Dougherty, as follows:

    1. Dougherty, John, head of household, age 30, born in Pa., officer city
    2. Land, George, border, age 51, immigrated in 1880, Nationalized in 1886, born in England, mil---- woolen mill
    3. Land, Edith, sister-in-law, age 32, single, can't read, occupation, born in Pa.
    4. Land, Morris brother-in-law, age 24, single, born Pa, brakeman railroad
    5. Dougherty, Ann, wife, age 30
    6. Doughtery, Gertrude, daughter, age 13
  2. 1930 Census: With Maurice, Immigrated 1883, see Maurice above

  3. John circa 1862, Batley
  4. Unknown per 1900 census
  5. Unknown per 1900 census
  6. Unknown per 1900 census

While there is still work to be done to be able to state absolutely that George and Mary Ann Land listed in the censuses in Philadelphia are the same as George and Mary Ann Land listed in the censuses in Batley the circumstantial evidence strongly suggest that they are the same people.

The big questions are:

  • Who exactly were they?
  • Did they know and/or were the related to the other Lands who moved from Batley to Philadelphia around the same time?
  • Were they relatred to the other Lands in Ward 38, Philadelphia

Other Lands in Ward 38

  1. John William Land (born England 1864) son of Samuel Land and Mary Ann Law Land

    Listed in Ward #38 in the 1900 Census. He was in Ward 39 in 1920 and Ward 46 in 1930.

    John William Land the son of Samuel Land and Mary Ann Law Land born 1864 was in Ward #38 in 1900. See Samuel Land and Mary Ann Law in Philly

  2. Charles H Land (born 1859, Pa.)

    Listed in Ward #38 in the 1900 Census

    Birth: Circa 1859 Pa.

    Marriage: Phosie, date and place unknown, Pa.

    Children:

    1. Hattie Land and Alfred Biggard
      Birth: Circa 1885, Pa.
      Marriage: alfred Biggard, date and place unknonw, Pa.
      Childre:
      1. ????
    2. Charles R Land
      Birth: Circa 1889, Pa.
      Marriage: Julia, date and place unknown, Pa.
      Children:
      1. Julia
      1920 Censue, Audubon, NJ: 1920 Washington Terrace Audubon, Camden, NJ Charles R Land, head age 30, wood worker cabinet factory, Julia V., wife, age 25 Julia V. daughter, age 2 and 10 mos. All born Pa. Fathers all born Pa, Charles' mother born NJ.
      1930 Census Audubon, NJ: 1930 Washington Terrace Audubon, Camden, NJ Charles R Land,, head age 40, own, $7,000, married at 23, foreman radio factory, Julia V., wife, age 36, married at 19, Julia V. daughter, age 13. Charles R. Jr,, son age 6, All born Pa. Parents all born Pa.

    1900 Census: Ward 38 can't read address, Charles H Land, head, age March 1859, age 41, wool worker, born Pa., Phosie K, wife, October 1857, age 42, Hattie, born --- 1885, Charles R, son, Dec 1889. All of the parents born in Pa. excepts Phosies father born Germany.

    1910: No

    1920: No

    1930 Census: E Atlantic Ave Camden New Jersey Audubon Borough: Alfred Biggard, head own $10,000 age 44, first marriage at age 25, born Pa., school teacher public school, Hattie B Biggard, wife, married first at age 38, born Pa. Charles H Land, father in law, age 71 married at 25, born Pa. Phosie Land, mother in law, age 73 married at 27 born Pa. Leena Ropper, ward, age 17 born NJ, sales wooman department store. All Biggard and Land parents born Pa. except father of of Phosie born Germany.

    Other Land in Audubon, NJ:

  3. William A. (or B) Land (born circa 1852 Pa.)

    Listed in Ward #38 in the 1900 Census

    1880: Not listed

    1900 Ward 38:

    Wm A Land, head, April 1852, age 48, ----- commissioner, Elizabeth M, wife, July 1854, age 46, Lillie A daughter, Aug 1873, age 26, all born Pennsylvania,

    1910 Ward 38:

    16th Street, William B. Land, head, age 58 married, at 38, accountant city, Lizzie W, wife, age 56, married at 38, 1 child, 1 chiild still living, Lillian M daughter age 36 single, age, teacher music. All born Pa all parents born Pa.

    1920 Ward 38:

    16th Street, William head, own, morgage, age 67 married, bookkeeper, mfg Chemist, Lizzie, wife, age 66, Lillian daughter age 46 single, age, teacher of music at home. All born Pa all parents born Pa.

  4. Joseph Land (born circa 1835) and his son, William (born Pa circa 1872)

    Listed in Ward #38 in the 1900 Census

    1900 Ward 38: Anslie Street, Joseph Land, head December 1835, age 64, widow, born can't read birth place it is not either Ireland or England, immigrated 1866, in US 34 years, naturalized, no occupation William P Land son June 1872, father born Ireland, mother born England, inspection insurance, Eva M daughter May 1876, age 24, father born Ireland , mother born England, stenographer

    Joseph not obvious in any other censues.


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