Charles Edgar

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A truly wonderful human being, gentleman and friend.

The Edgars

William Edgar (circa 1818-1887) and Ellen Carruthers

Birth: Circa 1818 Scotland per censuses.

Marriage: Helen (Ellen) Carruthers

William Edgar and Helen Carruthers 30 Dec 1842 Brydekirk, Dumfries, Scotland (IGI).

Note: Carruthers was used a a middle name for James the son of William Edgar and Margaret Kerr who was born in 1885. It was a common practice to use surnames as middle and even first names.

More on Helen Curruthers: Born circa 1817, Scotland. There are several listed on the IGI none with a father named James.

Children:

1. William Edgar (Circa 1847-) and Margaret Kerr*

   Birth: Circa 1847. Scotland. Not listed IGI. Not listed Longtown Free BMD.

   Marriage: William Edgar and MARGARET KERR Ruthwell, Dumfries, Scotland, 06 AUG 1869 (IGI)

   Note: "mother in law" Margaret Kerr listed with William and Margaret in the 1891 census. See census below.

   More on Margaret Kerr: Born Scotland circa 1846. Mother also Margaret based on census info. Not listed in Ruthwell, Dumfries. Tons of Margaret Kerr births on IGI. Very common name.

   Children:

   1. John

      Birth:16 September 1869 Ruthwell, Dumfries, Scotland, to William Edgar and Margaret Kerr (Batch #C118461, IGI)

      More on John Edgar: With parents in 1871, 1881 & 1891 censuses. Not listed 1901 in Kirkandrews. No death Longtown between 1891 and 1901 on Free BMD.

   2. William

      Birth: Births Dec 1871, EDGAR, William, Longtown, 10b, 408 (Free BMD)

      Further Record: Listed 1881 not listed 1891. No death listing Longtown Free BMD between 1881 and 1891. Not listed 1901 Kirkandrews.

   3. George Edgar (1873- ) and Hannah Elizabeth Ashby

      Birth: Cumberland England - George Edgar Longtown 10b 485 June 1873 (Free BMD)

      Marriage: Hannah Elizabeth Ashby, Longtown, 10b 905 September 1899 (Free BMD)

      More on Hannah Elizabeth Ashby: Born Stretton, Warwickshire circa 1870 per 1901 census - no listing on the IGI - no listing on West Midlands BMD. There are two Strettons in Warkwickshire: Stretton on Fosse and Stretton on Dunsmore

      Children:

      1. William Arthur Edgar (1899-1974) and Mildred Lynch and Maida Flatman

         Birth: November 9, 1899 (SSDI) - William Arthur Births Dec 1899, Edgar, William Arthur, Longtown, England 10b, 546 (Free BMD)

         WWI Draft Registration: William Arthur Edgar age 19, born November 9, 1899 England, mechanic, service station can't read address, next of kin, George Edgar, Smithtown, 5'6" slender brown eyes, auburn hair, Manhattan, New York 6? West 107the street..

         Marriage: Mildred Lynch (per the Charles Edgar Family, December 2006)

         More on Mildred Lynch and her family:

         Charles Lynch

         Birth: Circa 1878, New York, most likely Brooklyn, to Irish parents.

         Marriage: Elizabeth Cook

         Children:

         1. Mildred
         2. Irene

         1910 Census: Ward, 19, Rutledge Street, Brooklyn, Charles A Lynch, head, age 32, married 11 years, born New York, both parents born Irish Free State, color maker printing house, Lizzie M, wife, age 32, 3 children 1 still living, New York, Mildred daughter, age 6, New York, Irene, daughter, age age 6, New York, Augusta B Cook mother in law, age 65 widow, 5 children 5 still living, Germany, immigrated 1867, Alma O Cook, sister in law, age 33 single, New York.

         Notes:

         • Rutledge Street is in the Williamsburg section of Brooklyn near Wallabout Street.
         • What, if anything, does in mean that she listed 3 childen and 1 still living when there were 2 children listed on the census?

         1920 Census: St James, Smithtown, Suffolk, Northern State Road, Charles Lynch, age 42, chemist, medicine Elizabeth, wife, age 42 Mildred age 16, Irene age 15, Daniel Quinn, age 21 boarder, all born NY, and their parents were all listed as born in NY.

         1930 Census: Right next to William Edgar and family on North Country Road, Charles A Lynch, head own $7,000, radio age 50, married at 23, father born Irish Free State, mother born Penn., broker real estate, Lizzie M married at 23, parents born Germany, Irene daughter age 22, all born NY, bookkeeper auto sales.

         Children:
         1. Donald circa 1923 New Jersey adopted (1930 Census)

         2. Charles Edgar (1926-2006) and Margaret (Peggie) Goehle

            Birth: Charles November 16, 1926

            Marriage: Margaret Goehle

            Children: See Frank Goehle and Family and Photos of Charlie and Peggie Edgar

         3. Bruce April 1931 (Per the Charles Edgar Family, December 2006)

            Marriage: Joyce Shopshire born 1936 (per the Charles Edgar Family, December 2006)

            Children:

            1. Joyce
            2. Bruce, September 1, 1959
            3. Karen

            (per the Charles Edgar Family, December 2006)

         1930 Census: William Edgar, head own $12,000, age 30, married at 22, born England, father born Scotland, mechanic Automobile, immigrated 1903, Mildred wife age 26, married at 18, born NY, Donald adopted son age 7 born New Jersey, Charles son age 3 born NY, Miller, Frances boarder, age 30 married at 22 born Ny Miller Alice M boarder age 2 born NY

         Divorce:

         2nd Marriage: Maida Flatman (per the Charles Edgar Family, December 2006)

         More on Meta Flatman:

         1910 Census: Melrose Avenue Brooklyn, Martin D Faltman, head age 29, married 8 years, born Germany, immigrated 1896, butcher, store, Christina, wife 5 children 5 still living, born Germany immigrated 1894, Elenora, age 6, Martin, age 4, Richard, age 2, Meta, age 2, Louisa, age 4 mos., children all born NY

         Death of William Edgar: Born November 9, 1899 died October 1974 Smithtown (SSDI)

         Death of Maida Edgar: Maida Edgar, 23 Oct 1907, 23 May 2001, Smithtown, Suffolk, New York

      2. Alec George Edgar (1901- ) and

         Birth: Mar 1901, EDGAR, Alec George, Longtown, 10b, 541

         Immigration:

         Marriage: Maude Crane

         Children:

         1. Alec Jr.
         2. June

         1928 Phone book: Edgar, Alec G. Smithtown Branch

         Note: Alec was the only Edgar listed.

         1930 Census: Smithtown, Maple Ave, Lillian Crane, head own $7,000, age 53 widowed, married at age 22, born NY, Alec Edgar, son in law, age 29, married at 21, born England, father born Scotland, carpenter building, Maude Edgar, daughter age 27 married at 18, born Ny, Alec Edgar Jr. age 7 and June E Edgar age 4

         Death of Maude Crane Edgar:

         Remarriage of Alec Edgar: Florence (per the Charles Edgar Family, December 2006)

         Children:

         1. Richard
         2. Ronald
         3. Rene
         4. Robert

         (per the Charles Edgar Family, December 2006)

         Death of Alec Edgar: Alec Edgar, Birth: 26 Nov 1900, Death: Nov 1975 - Smithtown, Suffolk, New York

      3. Benjamin circa 1903, New Jersey

         Death: Died of polio age 16 (per the Charles Edgar Family, December 2006)

      4. Preston circa 1904 New Jersey

         1930: Not listed

         Death: Preston Edgar, Birth: 1 Apr 1904, Death: Oct 1973 - Lacona, Oswego, New York, United States

      5. Unknown - based on the answer to number of children in the 1910 census

      1901 census: In England see below.

      Immigration:

      Sailing, Hannah and William: SS Carmania, Edgar, Hannah age 42, 5 feet 3 inches, dark complexion, brown hair, blue eyes, born England, Ryton on Dunsmore, William A son age 10, last permanent address, Wading River, L.I. Non immigrant Aliens, nearest relative in UK, mother, M. A. Ashby, Castle Browage ___, to Wading River, Long Island, first immigrated to US 1899, to Husband Geo. Edgar Wading River, Long Island. 6 April 1912 from Liverpool.

      1910 Census: Brooklake Rd, Florham Park, New Jersey _ George Edgar, age 37, married 10 years, born England immigrated 1891* game keeper, Hannah "Annah" age 40, married 10 years 5 children 4 still living, William A age 10, Alec age 9, Benjamin J age 7 Preston J age 6 . All born England and immigrated in 1891 except Benj and Pres. who were born NJ.

      * They did not immigrated in 1891 Alec was born in England in 1901.

      WWI Draft Registration: George Edgar Smithtown, born June 1, 1873 England, game keeper, Wyandanch Club, wife, Hannah Elizabeth Edgar, Smithtown, short, medium build, gray eyes, gray hair.

      The Wyandanch Club: In 1872 the Brooklyn Gun Club purchased Caleb Smith's house and land near the head of the Nissequogue in Smithtown. Fishing, fox hunting and quail and pheasant shooting were popular sports.

      The club was renamed the Wyandanch Club in 1893 after a Montaukett sachem. It is now on the list of registered historic places and is known as Caleb Smith State Park. Jericho Tnpk. SW of jct. with Meadow Rd., Smithtown (5180 acres, 12 buildings)

      1920 Census: Smithtown Town Pike, George Edgar, head, age 45, married, immigrated 1900, game keeper club, Hannah wife, age 46, immigrated 1900, Arthur son age 20 immigrated 1900, mechanic automotive, Alex son age 19 immigrated 1900 no occupation Preston son age 16.

   4. David Edger

      Birth: Births Sep 1875 EDGAR, David, Longtown, 10b, 474 (Free BMD)

      Further Records: With his parents in the 1881, 1891 and 1901 censues

      Death: March 1908, Longtown 10b 364 age 32 (Free BMD)

   5. Mary Jane Births Mar 1879, Edgar, Mary Jan_, Longtown, 10b, 458 (Free BMD)

      Further Records: With her parents in 1891 not with them in 1901.

      1901 Census: Mary Edgar age 21, general servant domestic born Kirkandres on Esk with Mary Downey in Carlisle, St Mary Within, Cumberland, England

      Possible Marriage: Marriages Sep 1908, EDGAR, Mary Jane, Longtown, 10b, 911

   6. Margaret Helen

      Birth: Births Dec 1880, Edgar, Maggie Helen, Longtown, 10b, 431

      Death: EDGAR, Maggie Helen, age 2, Longtown, 10b, 294

   7. Janet Births Dec 1882, Edgar, Janet Ann, Longtown, 10b, 443

      Further Record: With her parents in 1901.

   8. James, Births Sep 1885, Edgar, James Carruthers, Longtown, 10b, 467

      Further Record: With his parents in 1901.

   Censuses: Listed in 1871, 1881, 1891, and 1901 in Kirkandrrews, see below.

   Death of William Edgar: Deaths Sep 1904, Edgar, William, 58, Longtown, 10b, 337 ( Free BMD)

   Death of Margaret Kerr Edgar:

2. Janet Edgar (c. 1849- ) and John Dobie

   Birth: Janet circa 1849 from census. Scotland. No listed Longtown Free BMD.

   Marriage: Janet Edgar to John Dobie - Marriages Dec 1875 Longtown 10b 759 (Free BMD)

   Children: Info from censuses.

   1. Ellen cicra 1873
   2. William Dobie Sept 1876 Longtown 10b 480 (Free BMD)
   3. James Dobie Mar 1878 Longtown 10b 452 (Free BMD)
   4. George Dobie Mar 1880 Longtown 10b 438 (Free BMD)
   5. Jane circa 1882
   6. Janet A circa 1884
   7. Mary Elizabeth Dobie June 1885 Longtown 10b 488 (Free BMD)
      
   8. Walter Dobie June 1887 Longtown 10b 496 (Free BMD)
      Death: June 1887 age 0 Longtown, 10b 306 (Free BMD)
   9. Maggie Dobie June 1889 Longtown 10b 460 (Free BMD)

   1881 Census: With William and Ellen Edgar see censuses below.

   1891 Census: Blennerhasset, Blennerhasset and Kirkland, Cumberland, England John Dobie, age 39 coal miner, born Scotland, Janet wife age 42, born Scotland, William son age 14, born Longtown James son age 13, born Longtown, George son age 11, born Longtown, Jane age 9, born Longtown Janet A daughter age 7 (?), born __spatria (?) Mary age 5, born Longtown, Maggie daughter age 1, born Longtown. (?)

   1901 Census: Blennerhasset, Blennerhasset and Kirkland, Cumberland, England John Dobie, age 48 coal miner, born Scotland, Janet wife age 50, born Scotland, William son age 24, coalminer, James son age 23, coalminer George son age 21, coalminer, Janet A daughter age 18, Maggie daughter age 11. Children all born Cumberland England Torpenhow (?)

3. Margaret Edgar (1859- ) and James Dickson

   Birth: Margaret circa 1859 form census. Scotland. No listed Longtown Free BMD.

   Marriage: Margaret Edgar and James Dickson Marriages Dec 1877 Longtown 10b 660 (Free BMD)

   Children:

   1. William Dickson, 1878, Mar, Longtown, Cumberland, 10b, 452 (Free BMD)
   2. Catherine Scotland circa 1881
   3. Ellen Ellen circa 1883 Scotland
   4. Mary Ellen born Scotland circa 1887
   5. Walter born Scotland circa 1889
   6. Margaret Dec 1890 Longtown 10b 460 (Free BMD)
   7. Janet Dickson Dec 1894 Long town 10b 491 (Free BMD)
   8. James Dickson Sept 1896 Longtown, 10 b 491 (Free BMD)
   9. Annie Irving Dickson, June 1899 Longtown 10b 557 (Free BMD)

1891 Census: Next to William Edgar. See below.

1901 Census: Arthuret, Cumberland, England James Dickson age 48, stationary engine man, born Scotland, Canobie, Margaret age 42, Scotland, William age 23 stone cutter, Kirkandrrews, Mary Ellen age 14, Scotland Canobie, Walter son age 12 Scotland Canobie, Margaret age 10, Kirkandrews,George E age 8, Kirkandrews, Janet age 6, Kirkandrews, James age 4, Kirkandrews, Annie J age 2, Kirkandrews

Death of William Edgar: William Edgar age 67, Longtown, 10b 299 March 1887 (Free BMD)

Death of Helen (Ellen) Edgar: Helen Edgar 84, Longtown, June 1900, 10b 422

The Edgars in the English Censuses

1841: No

1851: No

1861: No

1871 Census: Kirkandrews High Moat

• William Edgar, age 24, head quarryman, Margaret wife, age 25, John son age 1 mo. all born Scotland
• William Edgar age 51 quarry man, Ellen age 52 wife, Janet daughter age 22, dress maker, Margaret age 12 scholar, all born Scotland.

1881 Census Upper Moat Cottage, Kirkandrews, Cumberland:

• William Edgar, 34, stone quarry labourer, Scotland, Margaret Edgar, age 36, Scotland, John, age 11, Scotland, William, age 9, Cumberland Kirkandrews, George, age 7, Cumberland Kirkandrews, David, age 5, Cumberland Kirkandrews, Mary Jane (?), age 2, Cumberland Kirkandrews, Margaret Helen 5 mo. Cumberland Kirkandrews.

• Next to William Edgar still at Upper Moat Cottage, William Edgar, head age 61 stone quarry labourer, Dumfries , Scotland Ellen age 65, wife, Scotland John Dobie son in law, age 27 stone quarry labourer, Scotland, ____ wife age 31, born Scotland Ellen age 8 William age 4 James age 3 George age 2 Walter Dobie visitor age 14, born Scotland. Dobie children born Kirkandrews.

1891 Census Moat Quarry Cottage, Kirkandrews Cumberland:

• William Edgar head age 44, stone quarry man born Scotland, Margaret wife age 46, born Scotland, John son age 21, stone quarry man, born Scotland, George son age 17, laborer, born Kirkandrews Cumberland, David son age 15, scholar, born Kirkandrews Cumberland, Mary J daughter age 11, born Kirkandrews Cumberland, Janet A daughter age 8, born Kirkandrews Cumberland, James son age 5, born Kirkandrews Cumberland, Margaret Kerr mother in law widow age 76, born Scotland
• Next to them James Dickson head ag 38, stationery Engineman, born Scotland Margaret wife age 32 born Scotland William son age 13, Cumberland Kirkandrews Catherine daugter age 10, born Scotland Ellen daughter age 8, born Scotland Mary E daughter age 4, born Scotland Walter son age 2, Cumberland, Kirkandews, Margaret daughter age 5 mos. Cumberland Kirkandrews Helen Edgar mother in law widow age 75, living on own means, born Scotland Helen Dobie, niece age 18

1901 Census: Cumberland, Arthuret and Kirkandrews Moat, Kirkandrews on Esk St Andrew:

• George Edgar head age 28 gamekeeper, born Kirkandrews, Cumberland, Hannah E, wife, age 31, born Stretton Warwickshire, Eli G son 4 mo., born Arthuret Cumberland, Jack Dunwoodie boarder, age 23, gamekeeper, Mary A Reynolds border, widow age 57, living on own means
• On same page Boyas Croft, William Edgar, head age 54 stone quarry man born Scotland, Margaret Edgar, wife age 56, Kirkandrews, David Edgar son age 25, laborer in stone quarry, Kirkandrews, Janet A Edgar daughter age 18 general servant domestic, Kirkandrews, James Edgar son age 15, general servant domestic, Kirkandrews

David Edgar (1852-)

David Edgar has a lot in common with William Edgar - same birth place- same occupation - same names for children.

Birth: Circa 1852 Scotland.

Marriage: Mary, born Scotland

Occupation: Stone mason

Children:

1. William
2. John J
3. Catherine
4. Thomas
5. George
6. David
7. Francis

1881 Census: Birneyshill, Kirkandrews (I originally could not make out the name of this place. Thank you for a clarification from Shirley Hobson March 2007, who has relatives living there.) David Edgar age 29, stone mason, born Scotland, Mary wife age 30 born Scotland, William age 7, born Kirkandrews, John Jams age 4 Catherine age 2 Thomas Edward age ?. Rest of children born Carisle, Cumberland.

1891 Blacklaw (?) Land Kirkandrews David head age 40 stone mason born Scotland, Mary wife age 40 born Scotland, William S age 17, apprentice born Kirkandrews, John J age 14, Catherine age 13, Thomas age 11, all born Carisle, George age 9, David age 7 and Francis R all born Kirkandrews.

1901 Census: Moat Commons Kirkandrews, David Edgar, age 49, stone quarry manager, born Scotland, Mary wife age 50, Catherine age 23, general servant domestic, born Carisle, Thomas son age 21, stone mason born Carlisle, George age 19 stone mason David age 17 clerk at quarry, Francis age 15, joiners apprentice, Annie Ja age 9, all born Kirkandrews.

2008 Email from Helen Barbour:

"My g.g.grandmother Mary McDonald married David Edgar, a stone mason, born 1851) and the names of their children are the same as on your site.

I am decended from the daughter Helen (Ellen) who was born before David and Mary married According to the 1871 Census for England they were both working in the village of Wetheral in Cumberland (now Cumbria), David, working as a stone mason and lodging with a family and Mary working as a servant at Lime House School (a boarding school for 'Ladies'). Mary was born about 20 miles over the border into Scotland at a village called Ecclefechan - I just love that name! - and it shows David as being born in Ayr, Scotland."

Kirkandrew on Esk, Cumberland, England

Kirkandrews is an extensive but sparsely populated parish in Cumbria which borders Scotland and encompasses the towns of Middle Quarter, Moat Quarter and Nether Quarter. The Sark and Liddel rivers separate the parish from Scotland.

The church of Kirkandrews-upon-Esk is two miles north-east of Longtown near the Scottish border.

Kirkandrews on Esk church was under the authority of the ancient diocese of Carlisle.

Cumberland County (now Cumbria) is in the extreme north west part of England and boarders on Dumfrie in Scotland.

Edgar was a very common name on both sides of the Scotts/English boarder and the name goes back quite far in the area.

Kirkandrews-upon-Esk - St Andrew's Church shows some lovely pictures of the ares.

I did not find any information on quarries in the area

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19th Century Longtown